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Dimensioning on sequence

claus82
In other programs is possible to create dimension after dimension.
Example (look also my pictures to get what I mean):
I want to give dimension to 3 distances... So I click "dimensions", Then Iclick A and B points, so I gave the 1st dimension.



Now I want to continue dimensioning B-C distance, so, if I click to this "new feature" icon, In order to give next dimensions I just need to click C point and D point...



I think that this one would be a great feature, especially for people who use dimensions like I do (I hope I am not the only surveyor that use LC!!!)

Greetings!
See ya
Cla
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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cantcode
I'm not a professional CAD guy and just draw things for fun and don't know how this works in other programs.
But what about if instead of clicking on A and then B and then C and then D, one would just click on A and D and then LCAD
would add dimensions between all the lines intesecting/snapping to the line between A and D??
Just an idea.
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cantcode
claus82,
what do you think about the idea?
As you have more experience in drawing with CAD tools, can you tell if this will work?
Or won't this fit into the workflow?
thanks
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claus82
Hi friend, honestly I cannot tell you if this will work, because I'm a user, not a programmer! I suppose it could work, but you should ask to Rallaz, R. van Twisk or dxli, and support my feature request about true type fonts support for the editor and for dimensions in LC 2.1!!!     

Anyway, besides font jokes, concerning this dimensions' feature, their opinion is more reliable than mine, they are the brain, I'm just an average user!
See ya brother!
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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cantcode
I did not ask if this will work on the code side ;). I'm also an user and don't know if this will work. I just want to know if this workflow would fit the normal workflow of creating CAD drawings. As we are users we should first find the best/easiest way for the user to draw something and then the devs should tell us if this is possible or not. Then we can talk what of the idea can be implemented ;)
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claus82
Oh! Sorry for the misunderstanding, then I can say completely YES, it would simplify many big dimensioing processes, personally I would spend less less time! Especially in my sector (constructions), but I saw also many mechanical projects have a lot of dimensions and are very huge!!!
See ya!
Claus
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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Heyze
Can I chip in here on your chat
Nice people this sounds a good idea to me, it would save some time.
>Specify first extension line of origin
>Specify next
>...and so on...
>add dimensions between co-ords

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claus82
@ Heyezzzze:
well, implement a fixed extension line value would save time too, at least, in my case, (line dimensions cross with the very project lines and create confusion, so I have to modify each dimension, and it takes long time!) what do U think?
Cla
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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Heyze
Yes I agree my friend, fixed values for extension lines makes sense. I think the best place to put these is in the current drawing preferences - dimensions set up

Heyze
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claus82
@ Heyzzzze:

Yep, this is one of the most important features to be put, in fact my top list is:
(not in order of priority)

- empower dimensions' options;
- make compatible dimensions with other cad programs (almost every time dimensions are not imported, the other times they are imported badly);
- .ttf and .otf fonts support (abi├Čout text and dimensions);
- direct pdf exporting (at least 720 DPI of max quality);
- NEVER change hatches dxf format! (keeping dxf format everyone can create his/hers own hatces, .pat format is more for programmer and I love the simplicity of dxf hatches)
- embedded/linked images options

In my modest opinion I think those are not caprices, but they are feature that may persuade many users to use this program. For example I made a tutorial and honestly, if you look at that and consider the quality, that work could be potentially "competitive" with other commercial cads (beside the simplicity of the house etcetera, but it is a tutorial!), and with those features implemented, it should be practically impossible to say that the result is not excellent!

Bye!
Cla
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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Heyze
claus, you have a good list of features here, do the devs know about it?

I have been looking at the forum posts and bug/feature section and it seems that there are not many devs here, so I think the main thing would be to get the LibreCAD program to stable release first.... right ??

Then work on your list.
Where can we get more devs interested, do you know?

Your tutorial is good claus, well done.

Heyze

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cantcode
what would be the proper way of adding dimensions to the drawing in the image (green is the drawing and white is the dimensioning) A or B or is there another way?
I think my idea would not work on such a drawing cause one can't draw a line which intercepts all the the lines where dimensions should be added (like in the image in the first post (line from A to D).
So I think that one have to select all the lines one want to have a dimension added between.
But if in most cases the drawings look like the image in the first post we should add a checkbox to the normal dimensioning tool and if this is checked, the dimensions would be added between all the lines that intercepts the drawn "line" (A->C).
So the idea of selecting all the lines takes longer but is more flexible (can be also used for drawings like in my image).

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claus82,
can you please tell what you mean by  "implement a fixed extension line value "?
did you have to add the numbers of the dimensions by hand, cause there were no numbers added to my dimensions???

@Heyzzzze
I think the devs look into this forum. There is also an IRC channel and the bug/feature reporting page on sourceforge/github.
But don't know how often they look into the forums.
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claus82
@ cantcode:

About the correct way to give dimensions: I don't know, when I draw I usually draw buildings, try to find my tutorial here in the forum (don't worry it's free  )to see how I give dimensions


About the fixed extension line value: OK, I'll try to explain, look at the picture



CASE A:now in Librecad the extention lines do not have a fixed value, but in "Edit - Current Drawing Preferences" there is the "Extention line offset", do you see? So if you look CASE A extension lines are all different and the drawing seems a bit confused.

CASE B (the feature that I desire): if you can choose to have fixed extension lines and you insert a value for them, all the dimensions will have the same extention line lenght, do you see? In my opinion the drawing is more "clean" and readable!

Notice that it is alredy possible to have the same result of CASE B using some trick, but it takes too much of time (i mean, I need to create lines or use vertical/horizontal constraints... A bit tricky).
Anyway I don't remember very well but I was sure to have alredy requested something like that...
See ya
Claudio

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cantcode
ok, I got it now, thanks
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Heyze
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cantcode wrote
@Heyzzzze
I think the devs look into this forum. There is also an IRC channel and the bug/feature reporting page on sourceforge/github.
But don't know how often they look into the forums.
Many thanks my friend, I have had a good look around now and there is some work to do  - yes  ?
I suppose because LibreCAD is a 'free' application the devs don't get paid and everything is done voluntarily its gonna take some time - but hey its alright - we all need to relax as well .

I looked at the wiki too, it's OK.
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Heyze
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@claus
claus82 wrote
About the correct way to give dimensions: I don't know, when I draw I usually draw buildings, try to find my tutorial here in the forum (don't worry it's free  )to see how I give dimensions
I agree claus that we need this feature for LibreCAD, to answer your question - every type of CAD drawing (Architectural,Mechanical, Construction etc.) can have its own individual dimension style or a 'fixed' company style....but certainly to have extra options in the current drawing preferences is the way to go here!

Heyze
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Heyze
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claus82 wrote
- NEVER change hatches dxf format! (keeping dxf format everyone can create his/hers own hatces, .pat format is more for programmer and I love the simplicity of dxf hatches)
- embedded/linked images options
Claus my friend, I see that LibreCAD 2rc1 has no pre-installed hatches in it

I am familiar with using .pat hatches. Can you please explain to me how to create and use a dxf hatch in LibreCAD, I want to make my own hatches too.

Can you please make a 'step by step' answer.

Heyze
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claus82
@ Heyeze:

Are you sure that there are no hatches??? I have them (I use Win 7).
Have you  done the correct sequence to obtain hatches (choose a closed area, then click on "Create Hatch" icon and give confirm)?
If you have done right check the dialogue box  if "enable preview" is selected.
Now if it is selected and you still see nothing:
if you work under windows just check in this folder:
C:\Programs\LibreCAD\resources\patterns   (if iyour computer has 32 bit softwares)
C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreCAD\resources\patterns (if iyour computer has 64 bit softwares)... it should be quite simple to find them!
If you work under another O.S. just check the similar folders and you should find them.

Well to create a hatch is really simple. Just follow those simple instructions:
1-just take as reference a grid square
2-use your fantasy
3-save it as dxf into C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreCAD\resources\patterns
4-that's all

See ya!
Claudio


...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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Heyze
@claus
Thank you, everything you explained is what I 'would' have expected to find - but still no good

Then...after looking in the directories I find that there is no patterns there - just an empty folder/

So...I uninstalled, then re installed 2.0.0rc1 again - but still the same.

So I then tested on Windows 7 and XP - but still the same problem.

Then I noticed that the lastest 2.0.0rc1 has been modified (only 10 hors ago...and counting), so I think this windows package again has a problem.

What version are you using? Can you also try the latest 2.0.0rc1 and see if you get the same result?


I will post a problem in the trouble-shooting forum.

Bye Heyze
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claus82
@Heyze:

Ok friend, I used rc1 but there were patterns... Now I use rc5 (I think)...

ok, so... I give you this...

hatches.zip

just unzip here
C:\Programs\LibreCAD\resources\patterns   (if iyour computer has 32 bit softwares)
C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreCAD\resources\patterns (if iyour computer has 64 bit softwares)
or if you use another O.S. unzip into similar folders

Now restart Librecad... NOW YOU MUST HAVE THEM!

p.s. here there is also a pattern called bparquet.dxf that is not into the program when you install it... well... this is a file that I created for a work that I had to do some time ago... so as you can see ist is very simple create a hatch!

Just try and let me know!
Bye!
Cla
...the problem is not the problem, the problem is your aptitude about the problem...
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